About the show

Two friends, Matt Hawkins (a former policy director for the Southern Baptist Convention) and John Pinna (former Executive Director of American Islamic Congress) talk religion and politics. The podcast delivers weekly episodes featuring commentary on news, politics, multifaith experiences, and expert guests. The conversations build on almost a decade of their collaboration, advocating in Washington, D.C. for religious freedom domestically and around the globe. The two developed the podcast with a desire to share conversations that model friendship and collaboration despite deep differences in religion and background. Support our podcast via Patreon.

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  • Bonus: What to expect from Afghanistan election

    October 25th, 2019  |  Season 1  |  12 mins 1 sec
    afghanistan, election, politics, religion

    John Pinna relays his expectations and hopes for Afghanistan following the September 28th election.

  • Headline edition: Impeachment, Security in houses of worship

    October 3rd, 2019  |  Season 1  |  55 mins
    christianity, impeachment, islam, politics

    Matt and John talk impeachment and one evangelical predicting civil war. Also what houses of worship are increasing security to face mass shootings.

  • Fake Muslim?

    September 26th, 2019  |  Season 1  |  1 hr 13 mins
    christianity, human rights, islam, politics, religion

    Who are the real Muslims? Who are Fake? Cohosts Matt and John discuss.

  • Headline edition: Self-flagellation, Hindu-Muslim joint prayer, and more

    September 17th, 2019  |  Season 1  |  1 hr 6 mins

    Matt and John talk religion headlines including self-flagellation commemorating Ashura, joint Hindus & Muslims prayers, and U.S. Senate passage of the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act.

  • John tells of his American Muslim life after 9-11

    September 11th, 2019  |  Season 1  |  1 hr 16 mins

    Matt asks John to share his experiences as an American Muslim following 9-11-01.

  • Netflix's The Family

    September 3rd, 2019  |  Season 1  |  58 mins 10 secs

    Matt and John review the Netflix series "The Family."

  • Messiah Complex?

    August 27th, 2019  |  Season 1  |  44 mins 20 secs
    evangelicals, presidents, trump

    Is president trump Messianic? Matt and John analyze the apocalyptic news cycle.

  • 4: Halal pork and military parades (Pilot)

    July 3rd, 2019  |  Season 0  |  57 mins 40 secs

    But will John eat the halal pork?

  • 2: Jesus' nails? (Pilot)

    June 13th, 2019  |  Season 0  |  59 mins

    Matt and John talk religious artifacts located in Israel and Turkey.

  • 1: An evangelical walks into a wudu space (Pilot)

    June 5th, 2019  |  Season 0  |  27 mins 15 secs

    How not to do multifaith engagement. Matt and John swap awkward multifaith experiences.